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[FamilyMan]

Reviews please. Morgues have shown more signs of life than this forum lately.

[Journey/Survivor]

Reviews please. Morgues have shown more signs of life than this forum lately.

Until a few days ago we had had a 3 week period without a single post in the Journey forum. I think that's the longest stretch that I had seen without a post?

[Journey/Survivor]

Reviews please. Morgues have shown more signs of life than this forum lately.

Until a few days ago we had had a 3 week period without a single post in the Journey forum. I think that's the longest stretch that I had seen without a post?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Reviews please. Morgues have shown more signs of life than this forum lately.

Until a few days ago we had had a 3 week period without a single post in the Journey forum. I think that's the longest stretch that I had seen without a post?

Not much to say. I found it odd that neither Neal or Jon wished each other a happy bday on social media. Deeno posted that he got a new drum kit. I thought about making a post about these things, but really, who gives a shit? Band is pretty much dead sadly.

[Loneman1]

Reviews please. Morgues have shown more signs of life than this forum lately.

Until a few days ago we had had a 3 week period without a single post in the Journey forum. I think that's the longest stretch that I had seen without a post?

Not much to say. I found it odd that neither Neal or Jon wished each other a happy bday on social media. Deeno posted that he got a new drum kit. I thought about making a post about these things, but really, who gives a shit? Band is pretty much dead sadly.

Yeah definitely a lull in the excitement. I think Deeno or someone in the know mentioned this year was gonna be kind of quiet and 2026 was gonna be a busy one or something like that so it makes sense. I'm managing my expectations though, at this point I'm sure it'll be another GH tour with one or two of the usual touring partner suspects.

Also, didn't Jon write a song specifically about the fans that might be released as a single, or am I making things up? I hope someone else other than Neal produces it though if it comes to pass. Let Jon do it if they don't want to pony up the money for a real reputable producer. I hope the negative response about Neal's production on Freedom taught a valuable lesson but I doubt it at this point. Decent album, but that muddy production for everything other than the guitars and drums threw a wet blanket on any fun points it had IMO.

[Journey/Survivor]

Yeah definitely a lull in the excitement. I think Deeno or someone in the know mentioned this year was gonna be kind of quiet and 2026 was gonna be a busy one or something like that so it makes sense. I'm managing my expectations though, at this point I'm sure it'll be another GH tour with one or two of the usual touring partner suspects.

Also, didn't Jon write a song specifically about the fans that might be released as a single, or am I making things up? I hope someone else other than Neal produces it though if it comes to pass. Let Jon do it if they don't want to pony up the money for a real reputable producer. I hope the negative response about Neal's production on Freedom taught a valuable lesson but I doubt it at this point. Decent album, but that muddy production for everything other than the guitars and drums threw a wet blanket on any fun points it had IMO.

Yes, Cain had at one point mentioned a new single. And the thing about it being about the fans sounds familiar too.

[Onestepper]

Video of the power going out and an electrical fire starting mid set.

http://www.tmz.com/2025/03/15/journey- ... =social-tw

[The_Noble_Cause]

Yeah definitely a lull in the excitement. I think Deeno or someone in the know mentioned this year was gonna be kind of quiet and 2026 was gonna be a busy one or something like that so it makes sense. I'm managing my expectations though, at this point I'm sure it'll be another GH tour with one or two of the usual touring partner suspects.

Also, didn't Jon write a song specifically about the fans that might be released as a single, or am I making things up? I hope someone else other than Neal produces it though if it comes to pass. Let Jon do it if they don't want to pony up the money for a real reputable producer. I hope the negative response about Neal's production on Freedom taught a valuable lesson but I doubt it at this point. Decent album, but that muddy production for everything other than the guitars and drums threw a wet blanket on any fun points it had IMO.

Yes, Cain had at one point mentioned a new single. And the thing about it being about the fans sounds familiar too.

Jonathan was mentioning the single in a few interviews. He even had a title, "This Town."

However, the band soon became embroiled in more legal drama (again) and there were no further updates. These guys don't talk to each other, much less record together. If they were to record it, it would probably be done on the cheap by Narada and feature an obnoxious music video showcasing Lady M dancing.

[Loneman1]

Jonathan was mentioning the single in a few interviews. He even had a title, "This Town."

However, the band soon became embroiled in more legal drama (again) and there were no further updates. These guys don't talk to each other, much less record together. If they were to record it, it would probably be done on the cheap by Narada and feature an obnoxious music video showcasing Lady M dancing.

Ah gotcha, I didn't remember the timeline of creativity vs legal drama with that new song discussion. Yeah thats probably gonna get buried.

[jestor92]

They were apparently on fire. Literally.

http://youtu.be/HvFdvOzG0u8

[jrnyman28]

Does anyone remember who produced Red13? I thought it was Jon. Rough at the time but I have no problem with it now.

[Monker]

Does anyone remember who produced Red13? I thought it was Jon. Rough at the time but I have no problem with it now.

I think Neal and Jonathan are both credited as Producers.

I don't think I ever had an issue with the way it was produced. It seems I remember someone telling me that there were two different versions and one sounded better than the other. Maybe one before it went to retail and another after...there are two different versions of the "cover" art too. One done by Christopher and one with someone else. The early version was only on journeymusic.com. I doubt they are two different produced versions...but maybe the transfer to CD was different.

Also, Neal produced the original Hardline "Double Eclipse" CD. I always liked the way that CD sounded. I know Schon/Cain produced Neal's "Beyond the Thunder" CD....which sounds good. So, they do know how to produce good sounding music. Freedom was just a mess...being recorded and Emailed in. So, different studios doing the recordings of the different instruments and vocals...being mixed into one song and album. Then, multiple producers trying to make it work. I think Generations had a similar issue...especially with Augeri's vocals.

[Loneman1]

Also, Neal produced the original Hardline "Double Eclipse" CD. I always liked the way that CD sounded. I know Schon/Cain produced Neal's "Beyond the Thunder" CD....which sounds good. So, they do know how to produce good sounding music. Freedom was just a mess...being recorded and Emailed in. So, different studios doing the recordings of the different instruments and vocals...being mixed into one song and album. Then, multiple producers trying to make it work. I think Generations had a similar issue...especially with Augeri's vocals.

I forgot about the unfortunate COVID era process of e-mailing the songs back and forth and Frankensteining all the input together, that probably played a part in the resulting muddy sound as well. That wasn't Neal's fault for sure. It just feels like SOMEONE in the process should have heard what they wanted to be the final mix objectively and raised an eyebrow or two but maybe by that point it was all too far along in the process to try and fix all of it. Who knows.....probably too many cooks in the kitchen being involved like you said. Tis a shame.

[Journey/Survivor]

I don't think I ever had an issue with the way it was produced. It seems I remember someone telling me that there were two different versions and one sounded better than the other. Maybe one before it went to retail and another after...there are two different versions of the "cover" art too. One done by Christopher and one with someone else. The early version was only on journeymusic.com. I doubt they are two different produced versions...but maybe the transfer to CD was different.

Also, Neal produced the original Hardline "Double Eclipse" CD. I always liked the way that CD sounded. I know Schon/Cain produced Neal's "Beyond the Thunder" CD....which sounds good. So, they do know how to produce good sounding music. Freedom was just a mess...being recorded and Emailed in. So, different studios doing the recordings of the different instruments and vocals...being mixed into one song and album. Then, multiple producers trying to make it work. I think Generations had a similar issue...especially with Augeri's vocals.

My copy of Red 13 just says "Red 13" printed in the color red on a black background. There's no real cover art to it. I believe that that was the original release? I bought it at a Journey concert when they first started selling it.

If the production quality of the EP sounds better on a later release of it with the better cover art, then I will want to find that CD or download for it?

Back in 1989 when I played a little bit of Schon's "Late Night" CD for my guitar teacher, he said that he thought that Schon's guitar was buried too much in the mix, and that the keyboards were too prominent in the mix. I think that Schon co-produced that album with Bob Marlette? Which is ironic.

Actually, before hitting submit on this post I decided to check the producer credits on "Late Night." It says produced by Bob Marlette, with Marlette and Kevin Elson mixing.

I would love a remaster of "Late Night!" It needs it.

[Loneman1]

I would love a remaster of "Late Night!" It needs it.

I absolutely agree that that is looooong overdue! That album never gets any love it seems when there's a solo album discussion by any of the band members which sucks since its a good one! I'd take a modern polish on "Beyond the Thunder" as well while we're at it.

[jrnyman28]

I don’t think there are two versions of Red13 sonically, just the cover. And as much as I like Christopher I actually enjoyed the original cover. I know Generations had the concert ticket version and later a retail version that had a little work done. But I also got to here a version of one of the songs fully remixed by an outside source that sounded every better….

[jrnyman28]

Sadly, the cut and paste email has become the norm, especially among bands that live in different areas like Journey does.

[Journey/Survivor]

I would love a remaster of "Late Night!" It needs it.

I absolutely agree that that is looooong overdue! That album never gets any love it seems when there's a solo album discussion by any of the band members which sucks since its a good one! I'd take a modern polish on "Beyond the Thunder" as well while we're at it.

Yeah, I almost mentioned a remaster of "Beyond The Thunder" as well.

I was 17 years old when "Late Night" was released in 1989. When I found out at that time that Neal Schon had a new solo album coming out, I was expecting a very hard rocking album, and hoping for that too. During my first listen to the CD the day that it was released I was very disappointed in it because not very much of the album was what I was expecting and wanting. Being 17 years old I wasn't particularly into that Jazzy or New Age type of music yet. I did already own Steve Smith's first Vital Information album. But that was about it for music that wasn't straight ahead Rock.

I grew to appreciate "Late Night" for what it was. And it was great for the style of music that it was.

Basically everything that I just said about "Late Night" also applies to "Beyond The Thunder," except my age of course.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Does anyone remember who produced Red13? I thought it was Jon. Rough at the time but I have no problem with it now.

Both produced. Because back then, the guys still tried to act as a team. It was done at Wildhorse studios. Also, keep in mind, that 1/2 of the EP is leftovers from Arrival- only "State of Grace" and "The Time" are new.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Then, multiple producers trying to make it work. I think Generations had a similar issue...especially with Augeri's vocals.

I'm sure Elson produced / recorded Augeri's vocals separately from the rest of the band - but I don't think that's all that unusual.

Freedom was a unique situation. A friend of mine had the opportunity to meet Bob Clearmountain and ask him about Freedom. He said mixing it was extremely difficult.